One of the big things we wanted to do on our recent haul out was to switch from ablative to hard bottom paint. We had always used hard paint on our previous boat, Que Tal, but had decided to use ablative on Barefoot Gal for a couple of reasons:
- When we first bought Barefoot Gal, we thought we were only going to cruise six months a year. Ablative paint is still good when a boat is re-launched after being stored for several months; hard paint isn’t.
- After scraping many years of hard paint from Barefoot Gal’s hull, we were determined not to do that again.
The Reasons for Changing
After four and a half years with ablative paint, it was clear that it just wasn’t doing its job to keep the bottom free of growth. In the fall of 2014, we’d put on 3 coats of Hydrocoat SR. Fall of 2015, two more. Spring of 2017, one of Micron 66. Throughout that time, we’d had have the bottom cleaned every three to four weeks . . . and it could be argued that just before each of the repaintings, two weeks would really have been better.
The idea behind ablative paint is that it wears off slightly as you travel through the water, so fresh paint is always being exposed and the barnacles and other growth never get a real start. While ablative paint is marketed for cruising boats, I’ve come to realize that it’s really better for commercial boats that run every day and at higher speeds.
We weren’t on the move every day, and our top speed on a really good day is maybe 7 knots through the water. Consequently, we were having to clean the bottom frequently. Ablative paint is soft and comes off just as easily (maybe more so!) when cleaning it as when moving. Every time we cleaned the bottom, we lost more bottom paint and made the situation just that much worse in the long run. Basically, a downhill spiral.
We were pretty certain that we wanted to switch to hard paint, but asked our bottom cleaners (Derek and Chris of Obsessive-Compulsive Divers in Boot Key Harbor) what they were seeing among the boats they clean. Derek was blunt: “Hard paint is definitely better; ablative just doesn’t hold up. By far the best we’re seeing is Trinidad.”
Changing wouldn’t be cheap, but we decided to do it. Sticking with ablative and paying $100 every few weeks for a bottom cleaning (or spending a day doing it ourselves) wasn’t cheap either. Based on Derek’s advice, and the experience of my podcast co-host Nica Waters and also Behan Gifford of Sailing Totem, we decided to go with Trinidad SR.
How to Change from Ablative to Hard Bottom Paint
The basic issue in switching from ablative to hard paint is that the ablative paint can still try to wear away under the hard paint and will take the hard layers with it. If there are years of ablative paint build up, the recommendation is to soda blast the hull back to gelcoat. But soda blasting is expensive — around here, in the neighborhood of $3,000 for a boat the size of Barefoot Gal. And that’s in addition to the cost of the haul out, the paint and the labor. Another option would be to sand back to gelcoat, but around here that’s more expensive than soda blasting.
We had only had six coats of ablative paint on the boat since we had taken it to bare gelcoat. And to be honest, much of that was gone. A good pressure washing at the haul out would take off even more. We were hopeful that we could get by with a less expensive prep.
We opted to have the bottom aggressively pressure washed, and then heavily sanded to remove as much of the old paint as was reasonable — but that did not take it all the way back to gelcoat except in high-wear areas. Then we had Pettit Tie Coat applied to the whole bottom. The first coat of bottom paint — in our case, Trinidad SR — is applied while the Tie Coat is still tacky so that there is a chemical bonding between the two.
Tie Coat is used between two materials that otherwise wouldn’t bond well. It is extremely “sticky” paint that bonds to nearly anything. The extra sanding and Tie Coat application cost us about $1,000 (again, in addition to the regular haul, pressure wash, paint and labor charges).
Not cheap, but better than soda blasting. And if the bottom job lasts two years instead of one, and if we don’t have to have the bottom cleaned as often, we might just be money ahead. (We normally haul out and repaint every year but did not in 2018 due to Hurricane Irma — boatyards simply didn’t have space for us).
Important Info
I don’t want to give the impression that using Tie Coat instead of removing the old paint will work for everyone. In fact, Pettit’s technical support recommended that even with the little bit of ablative paint we had on the boat, we should have it soda blasted in order to get the best possible adhesion. They definitely said that if we had more than 8 coats of paint or if it was peeling or cracking off at all, it needed to be gotten rid of.
We know that we’re taking a risk with doing it the way we did. We might have made a mistake and “wasted” $1,000 instead of saving $2,000. But that’s how things work in the real world. We do the best we can with imperfect information. We made a decision and will see how it plays out over the next couple of years.
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Carolyn Shearlock has lived aboard full-time for 17 years, splitting her time between a Tayana 37 monohull and a Gemini 105 catamaran. She’s cruised over 14,000 miles, from Pacific Mexico and Central America to Florida and the Bahamas, gaining firsthand experience with the joys and challenges of life on the water.
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Lisa Colvin says
Thanks for this info. We are in the same situation. Our old Monohull had hard paint (Trinidad). We were very happy with it. The new pocket catamaran already had Ablative so we just stuck with that this year. I’m pretty sure we will have to go back to hard paint on the next haulout though. Fun times….
Carolyn Shearlock says
Glad to hear another vote for Trinidad!
Cherie says
We have used ablative paint for all of the years we have owned “big” boats. Here in Florida, we found two different dive companies that did not clean the bottom properly causing excessive wear which caused frequent hauling for a new bottom. Our current diver uses different tools once per month for the cleaning and we just had a new bottom after 3 1/2 years. Not saying that is good on Marathon, but in St Pete’s Harborage marina with brackish water it works well. I guess it depends on where you are and the “stuff” in the water.
Mike (Improbability) says
Hi C & D,
Part of your paint problem is Marathon and not moving much. In Mystic, CT in the summer we get underway every few weeks to cruise. Plus we travel up and down the ICW for months each year. Our Petit ablative works well, until we get to Marathon. Mostly sitting there cannot be handled by ablative paints. The vortex holds the bottom growth in place. ;>)
Carolyn Shearlock says
The ablative seem to do better in cooler waters but I have no scientific proof — just anecdotal from a lot of cruisers.
John says
I had my boat taken down to get coat, did 3 coats of barrier coat and 3 coats of TotalBoat Ablative. I am in the Sea Of Cortes and it’s very hot in summer/cold water in winter. In the last year I only had to clean my boat bottom a couple times and only at the water line even if I did sit still a couple months in the marina. I am hauled out and doing some work in the boat but the bottom looks good and I will wait until next fall (2 Years since painted) to do anymore bottom paint. I will say that the paint is extremely soft and when you touch it, it does come off easy. I think if I had to bottom clean it monthly then all the paint would be gone.
Chris says
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Carolyn Shearlock says
I just checked out the website — it’s a silicone anti-fouling that sounds really interesting both for its longevity (even with scrubbing) and the fact that it’s not releasing toxic copper into the water. The fact that no prices are listed on their website makes me wonder if it’s even in the realm of being affordable.
Doug Heap says
Check out Sailing Delos on you tube, I think they applied a similar product, interesting to see how it works.
Cheers from
New Zealand
Chuck B says
There’s an exciting option called Selektope (https://selektope.com). It’s not a biocide but somehow “tickles” barnacles into not being able to attach. It’s non-toxic, doesn’t kill the barnacles, and has been shown to be quite effective. Unfortunately, I’ve been asking for years when it will be approved for use/application in the U.S. and no one knows. But looks like it should be available almost anywhere else.
Chuck
SV ODAT says
So, shows the hard paint holding up so far?
I’m at that decision point having to bring bottom down to gel coat on a boat that never has had barrier coat!
Carolyn Shearlock says
It’s been not quite a year and a half and is doing well == in fact, we just had the bottom cleaned and I asked our diver that exact question. We’re in a very high growth harbor, and having to clean it once a month, but the paint is totally intact. Further, we’re not having as much growth as we did with the ablative paint.
Robert meehan says
You got to get better ablative paint. I currently use professional grade sherwin williams marine coating with nearly 50 percent cuprous oxide. Boats can sit all summer and come out clean with minor scum only. Also do not let anyone wash or scrape it. Just trust the paint
Carolyn Shearlock says
We’re in an area that is notorious for heavy fouling.
John Engel says
Been re-painting my powerboats with ablative in Connecticut for 40 years, power-washing my racing sailboats hard bottoms for just as long. And I’m still lost.
I want a matrix based on frequency of use, hull speed, water temperature, hull shape, docked-moored-or trailered, and cost.
My 26’ picnic boat powered by diesel is used 50 hrs per season ferrying passengers 1.5 miles at a top speed of 22 knots. Probably ablative.
My sons 17’ Boston Whaler has no bottom paint and sits on a trailer but will probably live at the dock for week-long stretches during the summer. Goes 40 knots. Hard to say how frequently he will use it. Wondering if I can try hard paint in Connecticut?
Carolyn Shearlock says
I don’t know why you couldn’t use hard paint.
Katy says
Which is the best Auntifouling paint to use for Wooden hulls? We’ve heard hard AF paint… any recommendations?
Carolyn Shearlock says
We’re happy with the Trinidad SR — it’s a hard paint.
Donald C. says
Just got my first sailboat and trying to figure this all out. I have come to the decision that I’m going to use Trinidad HD after sanding (self) and base-layering with TotalBoat’s TotalProtect. Fun times – my shoulders are so sore 🙂